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Old 06-16-2012, 12:07 AM
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FB closed at $30.01?????
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:13 AM
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^don't worry those gains are short lived as it is still down from the initial IPO of $38
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Yes I know, but it's slowly going back up.... I got in at $38/share

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I really don't see 38 as super likely in the near term unless FB improves its earnings dramatically. With all the new millionaires side tracked on how they're going to spend their money, I highly doubt we'll see big improvements.

Below are some valuation comparisons between FB and a value leader in tech like Apple and a peer like LinkedIn. My guess is the LNKD valuations would be as high as FB could go.

I just don't think FB is 4x better than Apple. In fact, I think the valuation will need to go down to APPL metrics which means about 1/4 of its current price. Do you see why someone like myself can't wait to short this stock?

FB
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Market Cap (intraday)5: 64.17B
Enterprise Value (Jun 17, 2012)3: 60.96B
Trailing P/E (ttm, intraday): 74.85
Forward P/E (fye Dec 31, 2013)1: 45.48
PEG Ratio (5 yr expected)1: 1.46 <<< look
Price/Sales (ttm): 14.98 <<< look
Price/Book (mrq): 9.58 <<< look
Enterprise Value/Revenue (ttm)3: 15.10
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)6: 28.61

AAPL
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Market Cap (intraday)5: 536.85B
Enterprise Value (Jun 17, 2012)3: 508.31B
Trailing P/E (ttm, intraday): 13.99
Forward P/E (fye Sep 24, 2013)1: 10.61
PEG Ratio (5 yr expected)1: 0.56 <<< look
Price/Sales (ttm): 3.75 <<< look
Price/Book (mrq): 5.21 <<< look
Enterprise Value/Revenue (ttm)3: 3.57
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)6: 9.54

LNKD
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Market Cap (intraday)5: 10.54B
Enterprise Value (Jun 17, 2012)3: 9.92B
Trailing P/E (ttm, intraday): 698.70
Forward P/E (fye Dec 31, 2013)1: 83.61
PEG Ratio (5 yr expected)1: 2.20
Price/Sales (ttm): 16.46
Price/Book (mrq): 15.44
Enterprise Value/Revenue (ttm)3: 16.08
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)6: 124.59
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iOS Blog: Facebook Abandoning HTML5 to Speed Up iOS App
Jun 27, 2012 11:01 am PDT by Jordan Golson
Facebook engineers are completely rewriting the social network iOS app to make it faster. The app, which has been criticized by many users for being extremely slow, was built using the HTML5 Web-based programming language.

It makes the app much easier for Facebook's engineers to port to other platforms like Android or Windows Mobile -- but it fails to take advantage of the iOS operating system.

As a result, the app -- which is used for everything from posting status updates to checking in to restaurants -- is much slower than comparable apps written to be a native app from the bottom up. Facebook knows this and is giving the app a complete rewrite in Objective-C, turning it into a true iPhone app and making it much faster. Nick Bilton, reporting for The New York Times:
I had the opportunity to see the yet-unreleased iPhone application and its fast. Blazing fast. The two developers I spoke with said the new application is currently being tested by Facebook developers and is expected to be updated this summer.

Don’t get too excited, though. The new Facebook app looks exactly like the old one. Facebook hasn’t changed the design, but rather focused on speed.

According to Bilton, the new and improved Facebook app should be released next month.

Facebook for iOS is available free from the App Store. [Direct Link]
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Facebook for IOS is 100 times faster then Andoids FB.
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About time they sped it up, read this the other day:

"Two sources well placed inside of the company tell The New York Times that Facebook is working overtime to ready the update for roll-out in July. And it can't possibly come soon enough. As of this writing, 21,000 of the 38,000 people who have reviewed the iOS Facebook app have given it just one star."

Fb being painfully slow on my iPhone and iPad, especially in the last few months has made me never go on it, which isn't all bad.
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Facebook has added another acquisition to its arsenal with social bookmarking firm Spool.

In a blog post, the Spool team said its technology makes it easier to consume content on a mobile device. "We firmly believe that solving these problems will be increasingly important as the world accesses the Internet primarily through mobile devices," the company said.

"The Spool team has deep expertise in mobile software development and a passion for making content easy to consume. We're excited for the team to join and accelerate their vision at Facebook," a Facebook spokeswoman said in a statement.

News of the Facebook purchase came shortly after Spool announced in a separate blog post that it would shut down "to pursue our vision in a new way."

Spool has since sent its users an email with their bookmarks attached. Those links can be downloaded to a computer or loaded directly in to a browser's bookmarks folders. The company suggested that those who want to use another bookmark synchronization service try Pocket or Delicious.

"We are extremely excited to accelerate our vision and help Facebook's users connect and share with the people in their lives," Spool concluded.

Spool launched in private beta in Sept. 2011 after debuting at TechCrunch Disrupt. "Spool is an easy way to save articles, image galleries, and videos to get back to later," the company said at the time. "Just click on the Spool add-on in your browser and the page you're on will show up on your phone."

By January, it had raised $1 million in funding from 15 investors.

Mobile will likely be a major focus at Facebook in the years ahead. In February IPO filings, Facebook said it had 425 million mobile users, but was not yet making any money from them. Shortly after, Facebook announced plans for ads in mobile newsfeeds. But in an amended S-1 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Facebook said it had 488 million mobile users in March but was still not generating any meaningful revenue from those interactions.

Last month there were reports that Facebook was working on location-based mobile advertising.

In recent months, Facebook has acquired Face.com, Piecable's mobile development team, and social discovery app Glancee. It also shelled out a rumored $1 billion for Instagram.
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New low coming?
I think so. What will it be?

The first FB lock out period is on Aug 20... about 1 month out. That's when FB insiders will be able to sell some shares, and you know a lot of them will sell. Being a millionaire or billionaire, but only on paper doesn't mean much if you can't spend any of that money. So when a flood of FB shares hit the market on Aug 20 and after, if there aren't any buyers for them, watch the share price drop.

There are 1.7 billion shares of Facebook currently sitting on the sidelines. The biggest chunk of those shares, 1.2 billion of them, will be released from their lock-up provisions in 177 days. That’s in November and is a pretty standard lock-up period for an IPO. The first slab of 271 million insider and principal shareholders stock will be available for sale in 86 days, an unusually short lock-up period.
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I think the low point will be after the first annual report is out (or when people start speculating what it will say).
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ZNGA down

After Hours: 43.19 - Down $1.8880 (37.18%)

Shares of online video games purveyor Zynga (ZNGA) are down $1.97, or almost 39%, at $3.11 down $2.08, or 41%, at $3, after the company this afternoon reported Q2 revenue and earnings per share that missed consensus estimates, and cut its outlook for the year’s outlook for bookings and EPS, citing delays in some games and weakness in usage trends on Facebook (FB).

Revenue in the three months ended in June rose 19%, year over year, to $332 million, yielding EPS of a penny per share, excluding some costs.

Analysts had been modeling $342.8 million and 5 cents a share, according to FactSet.

For the full year, the company cut its EPS outlook to a range of 4 cents to 9 cents, down from a range of 23 cents to 29 cents offered back in April. Bookings are now expected in a range of $1.15 billion to $1.23 billion, down from the April forecast of $1.43 billion to $1.5 billion.

Zynga attributed the change in outlook to “delays in launching new games, a faster decline in existing web games due in part to a more challenging environment on the Facebook web platform, and reduced expectations for Draw Something.”
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I'm going to put this here so in a year I can see if I'm right.

Facebook will continue to decline in popularity. Its best days are behind it.

Why:
1) Every kid I've talked to is moving away from it. It's boring, and their parents are there.
2) People are waking up to the idea that Facebook friends are not real relationships. People posting abount mundane stuff is not interesting.
3) People can't talk about interesting things because Facebook is not a forum with rules that people adhere to, and it's a miserable format to discuss something controverisal.
4) People don't go to Facebook to shop or click on ads. Quite the opposite, they go there to get away from it.

Cliffs: No reason to be there, no revenue when they are.

Will check back 7/25/12.
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So you'll check back today?
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Looks like the cheapies I bought just before close paid off. Not sure how long I want to hold though.

Maybe I spoke too soon.

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Profit of 12 cents per share on revenue of $1.18 billion. The consensus was 12 cents and $1.15 billion.
Estimates were too low/conservative.

EDIT:

After Hours: $25.77 - Down $1.07 (4.00%) even on an earnings beat.

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Still dropping. New 52 week low.

After Hours: $24.70 - Down $2.14 (7.99%)

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Owell, that just replaced my Atlantic City trip for the month.
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I knew I should've shorted it before the bell
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SBUX getting hit too. Wrong on that one.

But was right on WFM.
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Sbux is down 8.5% too
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Will probably pick up some more SBUX once it settles tomorrow

EDIT: FB keeps falling

After Hours: $23.95 - Down $2.89 (10.78%)

$23.75 is new low (so far)

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Should've put in some puts or calls or whatever it is
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^^ one of those could be a winner, the other a loser.

Pick the right one
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Originally Posted by 1Louder View Post
I'm going to put this here so in a year I can see if I'm right.

Facebook will continue to decline in popularity. Its best days are behind it.

Why:
1) Every kid I've talked to is moving away from it. It's boring, and their parents are there.
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3) People can't talk about interesting things because Facebook is not a forum with rules that people adhere to, and it's a miserable format to discuss something controverisal.
4) People don't go to Facebook to shop or click on ads. Quite the opposite, they go there to get away from it.

Cliffs: No reason to be there, no revenue when they are.

Will check back 7/25/12.

I can't see how FB will grow and continue to make money and be relevant.
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Chaching! Got my put option still open waiting for this moment. Tomorrow morning is going to be a very good day.
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Looks like the cheapies I bought just before close paid off. Not sure how long I want to hold though.

Maybe I spoke too soon.
Ouch - buying before earnings...
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Yeah, did you see this on Zynga?

In April, Zynga conducted a "secondary stock offering" in which insiders dumped 43 million shares of stock at $12 a share, raking in about $516 million.

Yesterday, four months later, Zynga reported a horrible quarter, and the stock plunged to $3.

In other words, Zynga insiders cashed out at exactly the right time.

In fact, they cashed out in the same quarter in which Zynga imploded.
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Ouch - buying before earnings...
Yeah, was hoping for a pop to 30. Almost got it. Owell, bet on black, got red.
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Saw that yesterday.

Watch FB insiders do the same once lock-up period is over in 3 weeks.

probably a good time to short stocks like LNKD, GRPN, and YELP. ZNGA dragged them and FB down yesterday during AH and today. FB dragged them down today during AG and will again tomorrow. It's a domino effect.

Watch YELP disappoint when they report on Aug. 1. LNKD reports on Aug. 2. GRPN reports on Aug. 13. Expect lots of disappointments.

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Yeah, was hoping for a pop to 30. Almost got it. Owell, bet on black, got red.
i did that at vegas, didnt work out either
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Chaching! Got my put option still open waiting for this moment. Tomorrow morning is going to be a very good day.
so whats the potential to make?

$25 put?
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I think he has a $20 put. He can profit 2 ways.... resell put option (I'm sure it's worth more now than when he bought it) or wait until stock drops below $20.




Out of curiosity, who's still holding FB stock?

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I think he has a $20 put. He can profit 2 ways.... resell put option (I'm sure it's worth more now than when he bought it) or wait until stock drops below $20.




Out of curiosity, who's still holding FB stock?

After Hours: $23.97 - Down $2.88 (10.71%)

Yea - $20 put option - I'll see the value of it at open, there will be time decay to deal with, so it depends how things open. I think this could be just the thing to put some downward pressure on FB that it's still an overvalued stock.

I think I have the price right - but am off by a couple months, I kinda wish I had the Sept or Oct $20 put - but we'll see.
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